A request for reply and understanding
Published on February 25, 2004 By Larry Kuperman In Religion
Like millions of others, I have been watching the reviews and previews of Mel Gibson's film "The Passion of the Christ." I haven't had the opportunity to see it yet, but I fully intend to. I have heard Mel Gibson speak about the film and respond to the charges that the film is anti-Semitic and may create or exacerbate the rift between Christians and Jews. The core issue is, of course, what was the role of the Jews in the death of Jesus and what are the consequences.

I am going to try to be as sensitive and understanding as I can be on this historical and religous issue and I hope that some of the Christian members of this community will share their thoughts and feelings in the same manner. My goal is to promote dialogue leading to understanding.

The Jewish history that I was taught, and I am by no means a scholar, says very little about Jesus. The Romans had conquered Israel in 77 BC and occupied the land. The period of the Roman occupation is a chaotic one. Some of the Jews took to Roman ways, many resisted bitterly. Jews had split into three major groups:

1) The wealthy Sadducees, who denied the authority of the Oral Law, pledging allegiance to Rome;
2) The fanatical Zealots ready to battle Rome to the death in a suicidal war;and
3) the mainstream Pharisee majority, still loyal to Torah and Oral Law, caught in between.

Many Jews believed that in such a time, the Messiah must come. The Jewish definition of Messiah is a Jewish leader (not devine, but a human being), descended from the line of King David (that is, from the tribe of Judah) who will have the Torah knowledge and the leadership ability to unite all the Jewish people in the Land of Israel. He will rebuild the Temple, bring world peace, and elevate the entire world to the realization of one God.

Against this background, many mystical groups sprang into existence. The Dead Sea Cult, who left the famous scrolls behind, was one such group. The Essenes may have been an off-shoot of this group or a different group. At this time there was a rabbi or teacher, called Joshua by some, Jesus by others and honored by his followers as Christ, which is the Greek word for Messiah.

To Jews, the life of Jesus was not of particular significence. I don't mean that in any disparaging way, I simply mean that he was one of many. The Jewish historian Josephus hardly mentions him. He was a learned man at a time when there were many learned men. For example, when sked to name the greatest commandment, Jesus, as cited in the Gospel of Matthew (22:37-40), replies:

"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it. Love your neighbor as yourself. All the law and the prophets hang on these two commandments."

These are based on quotes from Deuteronomy and Leviticus, which predate Jesus by 1,300 years. They might have been quoted by any Jewish scholar, because we believe them.

In Christian texts, such as Luke, the Jewish leaders cry out for the death of this man. Jewish texts don't mention this at all and it doesn't make sense to me. If Jesus was a rabbi and quoted Torah, why would the leaders be against him? Let me also say that when I call Jesus a rabbi, I mean one who has accepted the mantle of teacher, not necessarily ordained by any official organization.

So Jesus is caught between the Roman Pilate and Herod Antipas. Herod was, by and large, hated by the Jews of that era. He had divorced his wife to marry his neice, had been educated in Rome were he was friends with Caligula. One of the reasons that the Romans let him govern, made him ruler over Galilee, was because he could never unite the Jewish people against Rome. After being shuttled back and forth, Jesus is crucified by the Romans.

So what are the Jewish people guilty of? Calling for the death of Jesus or not rebelling against the Roman army to save him? As a Jew, I don't believe that the Jewish council would do such a thing and if they did it would have been a violation of every fundamental Jewish precept. Why would the council act thus? The vast majority of quoted statements are perfectly consistent with Jewish beliefs, are based on the Torah and Talmud which Jesus demonstrated his familiarity with.

I guess one explanation would be Jesus throwing the money lenders from the Temple. "Do not make My Father's house a house of merchandise!" Once again, the story does not appear in Jewish histories. But perhaps it was the money lenders who called for the death of Jesus. If this were the case, then it would be a small and at least theoretically reviled minority at fault. What I can't imagine is that Herod or Pilate, who had the power of life and death over the people that they ruled, would have been swayed by the money lenders. This was not modern times, when merchants have power. If Herod wanted money form someone, he could just take it. It just doesn't make sense to me.

Then comes the torture and crucifixion at the hands of the Romans. To the best of my knowledge, no Jew is actually accused of participating. Am I wrong?

For the next two thousand years, Jews are reviled and persecuted as "Christ killers." I am not going to detail the events, but anyone can look them up. My question is why? Even if Jews had called for the death of Jesus, all of his early followers and all the Apostles were religous Jews. Was it the acceptance of Jesus that made them "good Jews" and Holy and the non-acceptance by the majority of Jews that made them "bad Jews" to be reviled and attacked?

Then comes the Vatican II beginning in 1962 and continuing until 1965. It opens with a pronouncement that includes Judaism as a valid religion, by saying "The Catholic Church rejects nothing which is true and holy in these religions." Further recognition is given "...cannot forget that she received the revelation of the Old Testament through the people with whom God in his inexpressible mercy deigned to establish the Ancient Covenant." But Jews still aren't off the hook for the death of Jesus, as the Declaration asserts that "...authorities of the Jews and those who followed their lead pressed for the death of Christ." Still the Declaration continues "what happened in His passion cannot be blamed upon all the Jews then living, without distinction, nor upon the Jews of today. Although the Church is the new people of God, the Jews should not be presented as repudiated or cursed by God, as if such views followed from the Holy Scriptures."

Now, I was 10 years old and living in the Bronx at that time. My best friends were Irish Catholic boys who told me that I wasn't to blame for killing Jesus. I don't say that glibly, that was how kids interpreted the anouncement.

But in the almost forty years since, I haven't seen an abatement in anti-Semitism. In many ways, it has grown worse. Just this week, on Joeuser, the old myth that the world is controlled by the shadowy Jewish organization known as the Elders of Zion resurfaced. Despite the fact that we know that the 9/11 terrorists were anti-Israeli Moslems, a poster here blamed the Israeli intelligence agency Mosad for the destruction of the World Trade Center. This is the modern version of "blood libel."

According to CNN, Mel Gibson is "an avowed "Traditionalist Catholic," a splinter movement that believes in celebrating Mass in Latin and rejects changes in the church made by the Second Vatican Council." I am confused because I thought Catholics had to accept the word of the Vatican. My feeling on reading this was "We just can't win."

With this post, I am asking two questions. Do Christians still consider Jews to blame for the death of Jesus? If so, is there any means of gaining forgiveness and acceptance short of renouncing the Jewish heritage?

Slightly off the topic, I will explain that this is why Israel holds such a special meaning for Jews, even non-religous Jews like me. As long as Israel exists and is strong, we know that we have a place to go if the dark days return.

Let me end with a quote from the book of Isaiah which reads:
And they shall beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation. Neither shall they learn war anymore... (Isaiah 2:4)

Peace and understanding to all.



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on Feb 25, 2004
There has always been some group or another used by other groups throughout history to lay the blame of their failures upon. Wheather it be blacks, Jews, gays, or what have you. People are always looking for somewhere to lay blame.
No, I do not hold the Jews accountable for the death of Jesus.
Jesus Himself said, "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do." Why anyone as a Christian not forgive and expect there to then be forgivness for his/her own sins?
It was the full intent and purpose of God, in wrapping Himself in a body of flesh and coming into the world in the form of an earthly man, to shed His blood for the remission of the sins of mankind. (see Heb. 9:22, Matt. 26:28) So had it not have been the Jews, or the Romans, it would have been someone else. Just as if it had not have been Judas, it would have been another deciple to betray Him. If Peter would not have denied Him, then who, and so on.
One reasons that a certain Jews denounced Him is the fact the you mentioned with the money changers. Some of them felt threatened by Him. They also did not reconize Him as the Messiah (as you mentioned, He did not meet their criteria) and did not like the fact that in some instances, He made Himself out to be God. (which He was) Read the 8th chapter of St. John and St. John 10:33. You will see why the Jews hated Him. GCJ
on Feb 25, 2004
Thought I would reply even though I'm not christian, agnostic, atheistic, or anything else.

You said, "With this post, I am asking two questions. Do Christians still consider Jews to blame for the death of Jesus? If so, is there any means of gaining forgiveness and acceptance short of renouncing the Jewish heritage?"

Yes, there are some out there that do still blame the jews for the murder of Jesus. Others don't.

With the blame game - it really depends on which branch/type of christians you are dealing with. And don't forget, many christians won't associate even with other christians because of one thing or another. For instance, I know of lutherans who will not step foot in a catholic church for love nor money. So consider the source.

As to the second part, where you bring up the 'If so, is there any means of gaining forgiveness and acceptance..." Good grief. Forgiveness? You haven't done anything wrong to need or want forgiveness for.

Acceptance? Well, you might want to ask yourself why you would want acceptance or psuedo-forgiveness from a bunch of people who hold such grudges, maintain such a petty attitude, and perpetuate the whole thing further.

Renounce your heritage? Well, what's the point in doing that over something that may or may not have happened so very long ago? I mean, what could renouncing possibly change?

Anyway, thanks for the article.

PS. And no, I do not plan on seeing the Gibson film.
on Feb 26, 2004
Maybe some Christian's blame Jews for killing Christ. If they do, they're frickin morons. Even judgement only goes to the third and fourth generation, and Jesus died for the sins of all of us, not just Jews. I had as much of a hand in killing Jesus as any Jew.

I can't speak for every single Christian in the world, but nobody I know blames the Jews.

~Dan
on Feb 26, 2004
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on Feb 26, 2004
I think that had Gibson made an interpretation of the death of Christ, you might have a point. He didn't though. This is a verbatim version of the bible.

It is easy to get into the frame of mind that it is Christian Jesus and the Christian Apostles and the bad old Jews, but that isn't how the story goes. There are good Jews and bad Jews, good Romans and bad Romans. The 'Christian' part doesn't occur until after-the-fact, so one could as easily say that the Jews created for Christianity as the Jews killed Jesus. The average Shakespearean play has more anti-Semitism than the Bible.

I think this situation demands leeway. We have had the Qu'ran, frankly, rammed down our collected throats for 3 years. I am not being a hypocrite, I have read a good portion of it and I have a copy of it on my desk. I could give you direct quotes from it about the Jews that would make you wince in disbelief. The Christian Bible is being scrutinized for its insensitivity, but many/most of the New Testament movers-and-shakers *were* Jews, and Jesus's story is most certainly not about retribution, rather it is about forgiveness.

So, if we are to be upstanding 20th century folk and understand that the Qu'ran is a living document, and not necessarily a tome of destruction for non-Muslims, I think it should be insanely obvious that the Bible has nothing at all to do with the horrible acts committed on Jews in the past. Terrorists twist the Qu'ran to make excuses for racism, anti-Semites do the same with the Bible.

It is my personal belief that you have to twist the Bible a lot harder to excuse hate than the Qu'ran, but that is, admittedly, my own personal belief. I have yet to hear anyone give me a good reason a stable person would hate the Jews from a literal reading of the Bible, and therefore I can't understand how a literal depiction would be any worse.

I firmly believe that if anyone walks out of Mel Gibson's movie hating Jews, they hated them before they walked in.
on Feb 26, 2004
Dan, you bring out an excellent point. We are all guilty of the torment He suffered due to the fact that we all have sinned and thats the reason He died because without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sin.
The most important thing of all to remember though is the fact that He is no longer dead. GCJ
on Feb 26, 2004
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on Feb 26, 2004
Don't be decieved Frodo, Jesus is no more dead right now than I am. I for one have never heard any preacher preach that nearly all Jews would be killed in Armageddon and that 144,000 people would remain either. This war has never been faught as yet but the stage is surely being set for it day by day. Seek the truth where it may be found before its too late for you. GCJ
on Feb 26, 2004
"I firmly believe that if anyone walks out of Mel Gibson's movie hating Jews, they hated them before they walked in." Quote from BakerStreet.

I agree that, by the time one reaches adulthood, a person's attitudes have been formed. But what about children? Will the next generation be influenced by the movie or, perhaps more importantly, by the debate surrounding the movie?

"I can't speak for every single Christian in the world, but nobody I know blames the Jews." Quote from Dan Kaschel. Dan, I have read many of your posts and know you to be quite rational. I assume that you have an equally rational circle of friends. But how do you account for the number of anti-Semitic acts that occur each year?
on Feb 26, 2004
But how do you account for the number of anti-Semitic acts that occur each year?


You can hate the Jews without specifically blaming them for the Crucifixion. My grandfather is a lifelong Catholic and lifelong bigot; he has quite an anti-Semitic streak (among others). But his contempt for the Jews is based on the usual nonsense: controlling the money, controlling the media, being somehow crafty and devious, being cheap, having big noses...you get the idea. I never heard him blame them for the execution of Jesus.
on Feb 26, 2004
This is a really great blog. Each reply is well written and thoughtful. I want to chime in if I get the time and so am downloading this to my write and going to take a few minutes to get to it.
I will go to the site mentioned and also introduce the 'Pauline Doctrine' as well.
To answer the basic questions from my point of view, 1.) I believe a Cristian pretty well has to say Jews caused Jesus' death or the Christian doctrine does not hold up;2.) To be accepted by 'Christians' a Jew would have to renounce their faith and accept Christianity.

This doe not mean I agree or am Christian or Jewish. I merely, and for now, hold forth that this is the truth and joy-joy feelings aside, on a theological level, a Jew and Christian are at odds on the divinity of Jesus and both old and new testament state that he was rejected by the Jews; he had to be to fulfill scripture. Obviously they did not commit the murder, inasmuch as no law of the occupying Roman government allowed them to crucify. It was caried out by Romans on demand of the Jewish leadership who said it had to be done or they would rise up against Rome. To cool the tensions, the Romans did as the Jewish leadership demanded and so Jesus died. This is a hint as to why Jews are not told of what is in the New Testament by the Jewish leadership.

I'll be back and thanks for the great posting and replies.
on Feb 26, 2004
Random thoughts.

The Jews who watched Jesus die at the crucifixion, cried crucify him. Pilate complied with their wishes. Early Christians were opposed and persecuted by the Jews. That is what the Bible says.

The Bible also says that Paul would give up his own salvation is he could so the Jews would be saved. There were many Jewish Christians all over the Roman world. Christians are told to love their enemies and pray for those who persecute them.

So anti-semitism is the result of ignorant people who cannot understand why Jews did not follow Christ, their Messiah and so they should be punished for it. Europe has an increase of anti-semitism, but Europe has very few Christians.

Some of what is considered anti-semitism is hatred for Israel.

Jesus was a threat to Jewish society and to the Romans.

Jesus is a threat to all who do not believe in him .

The movie comes out of the Bible. Christians who obey the first two commandments will not hate Jews. Jesus was a Jew and Judaism gave us Christianity.

There is a lot of prejudice against Christianity in our society today.
on Feb 26, 2004
There is a lot of prejudice against Christianity in our society today.


You're completely right. It's almost as rampant as the widespread oppression of white people and the subjugation of men.
on Feb 26, 2004
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on Feb 27, 2004
Heh, I agree, BulbousHead..sounds 'bout right anymore. Sometimes I feel as if I'm being cruxified for past generational sins..being as I'm a white male.

Every race, creed, religion, government, yada yada is biased/bigoted towards another. That doesn't mean ALL Christians blame/hate Jews..but some do..

And Vice Versa...same with blacks, whites, asians...we all have our own bigotries based off of what we're taught by our elders and from what we see around us on a daily basis.

I just think it's silly that the movie is stirring up so much crap. If you don't like it, don't go see it? Logic?..Perish the thought! We shalt not have such false words amongst us!

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