A request for reply and understanding
Published on February 25, 2004 By Larry Kuperman In Religion
Like millions of others, I have been watching the reviews and previews of Mel Gibson's film "The Passion of the Christ." I haven't had the opportunity to see it yet, but I fully intend to. I have heard Mel Gibson speak about the film and respond to the charges that the film is anti-Semitic and may create or exacerbate the rift between Christians and Jews. The core issue is, of course, what was the role of the Jews in the death of Jesus and what are the consequences.

I am going to try to be as sensitive and understanding as I can be on this historical and religous issue and I hope that some of the Christian members of this community will share their thoughts and feelings in the same manner. My goal is to promote dialogue leading to understanding.

The Jewish history that I was taught, and I am by no means a scholar, says very little about Jesus. The Romans had conquered Israel in 77 BC and occupied the land. The period of the Roman occupation is a chaotic one. Some of the Jews took to Roman ways, many resisted bitterly. Jews had split into three major groups:

1) The wealthy Sadducees, who denied the authority of the Oral Law, pledging allegiance to Rome;
2) The fanatical Zealots ready to battle Rome to the death in a suicidal war;and
3) the mainstream Pharisee majority, still loyal to Torah and Oral Law, caught in between.

Many Jews believed that in such a time, the Messiah must come. The Jewish definition of Messiah is a Jewish leader (not devine, but a human being), descended from the line of King David (that is, from the tribe of Judah) who will have the Torah knowledge and the leadership ability to unite all the Jewish people in the Land of Israel. He will rebuild the Temple, bring world peace, and elevate the entire world to the realization of one God.

Against this background, many mystical groups sprang into existence. The Dead Sea Cult, who left the famous scrolls behind, was one such group. The Essenes may have been an off-shoot of this group or a different group. At this time there was a rabbi or teacher, called Joshua by some, Jesus by others and honored by his followers as Christ, which is the Greek word for Messiah.

To Jews, the life of Jesus was not of particular significence. I don't mean that in any disparaging way, I simply mean that he was one of many. The Jewish historian Josephus hardly mentions him. He was a learned man at a time when there were many learned men. For example, when sked to name the greatest commandment, Jesus, as cited in the Gospel of Matthew (22:37-40), replies:

"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it. Love your neighbor as yourself. All the law and the prophets hang on these two commandments."

These are based on quotes from Deuteronomy and Leviticus, which predate Jesus by 1,300 years. They might have been quoted by any Jewish scholar, because we believe them.

In Christian texts, such as Luke, the Jewish leaders cry out for the death of this man. Jewish texts don't mention this at all and it doesn't make sense to me. If Jesus was a rabbi and quoted Torah, why would the leaders be against him? Let me also say that when I call Jesus a rabbi, I mean one who has accepted the mantle of teacher, not necessarily ordained by any official organization.

So Jesus is caught between the Roman Pilate and Herod Antipas. Herod was, by and large, hated by the Jews of that era. He had divorced his wife to marry his neice, had been educated in Rome were he was friends with Caligula. One of the reasons that the Romans let him govern, made him ruler over Galilee, was because he could never unite the Jewish people against Rome. After being shuttled back and forth, Jesus is crucified by the Romans.

So what are the Jewish people guilty of? Calling for the death of Jesus or not rebelling against the Roman army to save him? As a Jew, I don't believe that the Jewish council would do such a thing and if they did it would have been a violation of every fundamental Jewish precept. Why would the council act thus? The vast majority of quoted statements are perfectly consistent with Jewish beliefs, are based on the Torah and Talmud which Jesus demonstrated his familiarity with.

I guess one explanation would be Jesus throwing the money lenders from the Temple. "Do not make My Father's house a house of merchandise!" Once again, the story does not appear in Jewish histories. But perhaps it was the money lenders who called for the death of Jesus. If this were the case, then it would be a small and at least theoretically reviled minority at fault. What I can't imagine is that Herod or Pilate, who had the power of life and death over the people that they ruled, would have been swayed by the money lenders. This was not modern times, when merchants have power. If Herod wanted money form someone, he could just take it. It just doesn't make sense to me.

Then comes the torture and crucifixion at the hands of the Romans. To the best of my knowledge, no Jew is actually accused of participating. Am I wrong?

For the next two thousand years, Jews are reviled and persecuted as "Christ killers." I am not going to detail the events, but anyone can look them up. My question is why? Even if Jews had called for the death of Jesus, all of his early followers and all the Apostles were religous Jews. Was it the acceptance of Jesus that made them "good Jews" and Holy and the non-acceptance by the majority of Jews that made them "bad Jews" to be reviled and attacked?

Then comes the Vatican II beginning in 1962 and continuing until 1965. It opens with a pronouncement that includes Judaism as a valid religion, by saying "The Catholic Church rejects nothing which is true and holy in these religions." Further recognition is given "...cannot forget that she received the revelation of the Old Testament through the people with whom God in his inexpressible mercy deigned to establish the Ancient Covenant." But Jews still aren't off the hook for the death of Jesus, as the Declaration asserts that "...authorities of the Jews and those who followed their lead pressed for the death of Christ." Still the Declaration continues "what happened in His passion cannot be blamed upon all the Jews then living, without distinction, nor upon the Jews of today. Although the Church is the new people of God, the Jews should not be presented as repudiated or cursed by God, as if such views followed from the Holy Scriptures."

Now, I was 10 years old and living in the Bronx at that time. My best friends were Irish Catholic boys who told me that I wasn't to blame for killing Jesus. I don't say that glibly, that was how kids interpreted the anouncement.

But in the almost forty years since, I haven't seen an abatement in anti-Semitism. In many ways, it has grown worse. Just this week, on Joeuser, the old myth that the world is controlled by the shadowy Jewish organization known as the Elders of Zion resurfaced. Despite the fact that we know that the 9/11 terrorists were anti-Israeli Moslems, a poster here blamed the Israeli intelligence agency Mosad for the destruction of the World Trade Center. This is the modern version of "blood libel."

According to CNN, Mel Gibson is "an avowed "Traditionalist Catholic," a splinter movement that believes in celebrating Mass in Latin and rejects changes in the church made by the Second Vatican Council." I am confused because I thought Catholics had to accept the word of the Vatican. My feeling on reading this was "We just can't win."

With this post, I am asking two questions. Do Christians still consider Jews to blame for the death of Jesus? If so, is there any means of gaining forgiveness and acceptance short of renouncing the Jewish heritage?

Slightly off the topic, I will explain that this is why Israel holds such a special meaning for Jews, even non-religous Jews like me. As long as Israel exists and is strong, we know that we have a place to go if the dark days return.

Let me end with a quote from the book of Isaiah which reads:
And they shall beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation. Neither shall they learn war anymore... (Isaiah 2:4)

Peace and understanding to all.



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on Feb 27, 2004
When the reader finishes this book, he'll know more about religion than the Pope and the Dalai Lama.

Must take every bit of ten minutes to read it then hey?
No J/K I'll seriously have to check it out. Believe it or not I do try to keep an open mind. GCJ
on Feb 27, 2004
During the time of Jesus I imagine that people were a lot more religious than they are now. Jews of Israel back then were probably as conservative as many modern day Muslims. In that kind of society, if someone came along claiming to be the Messiah and preaching sermons that contradicted the Word of God in the old testament, I would not be surprised that he would make enemies. Jesus was killed as a blasphemer.

I have always believed that Jesus' death was on all of us. The Jews at the crucifixion represent all of humanity. I think anti-semetism stems not from Christianity but from other things. For example, all the protest by Jews against Mel Gibson's new movie. For a moment I thought, "Geez, no wonder no one likes the Jews." It almost seems like they're attacking more than the movie. It's like they're protesting Christianity itself (Pilate tried to release Jesus--it's in the Bible--Mel Gibson didn't make that up). Of course then I remember all that they've suffered and I understand their fear. They should relax.

Christians are not going to come out of the theatres hating Jews. Do Jews really believe that lying just beneath the skin of every Christian is a Jew hating Nazi? I hope not.



on Feb 27, 2004
The Sanhedrin Jews that were present during the 'trial' were responsible for Jesus' death. But that does not mean Jews as a group are responsible.

For the Christian I fail to understand why they would care blame anyone. If anything they should thank those responsible since without Jesus' suffering, death and resurrection there is no salvation. For anyone else (non-Christian) what do they care who killed Christ?
on Feb 27, 2004
One day people will learn that religion is evil.
on Feb 27, 2004
One day people will learn that religion is evil.


, pointless statement but funny nonetheless.
on Feb 27, 2004
pointless statement


Pointless because you disagree? A strong case can be made that religion has done more harm than good.
on Feb 27, 2004
LOL, No, pointless because a lot of bad things have been done for many reasons including but certainly not limited to religion. You might as well point at a tree and declare it evil as well. It also is a blanket statement without substance. Is all religion evil?

Funny nonetheless because it is a tired and typical statement.
on Feb 28, 2004
It's like blaming money and calling it the root of all evil, when it all actually it is the individual who lusts for the money and indulges in greed..that's where the evil lies..
Religion is a tool, for good or ill..And it's all up to you how you use it.

Taking responsiblity for your actions: Priceless.
on Feb 28, 2004

Lunaticus: Exactly
on Feb 29, 2004
With this post, I am asking two questions. Do Christians still consider Jews to blame for the death of Jesus? If so, is there any means of gaining forgiveness and acceptance short of renouncing the Jewish heritage?

God, please reveal yourselves to all of the writers and responders to this and other articles on JoeUser.com, as well as to the rest of world. Give them eyes that they might see, and ears that they might hear your word and understand.

Having said that, please allow me to attempt to "reflect some light with my little piece of the mirror that I hold."

"Do Christians still consider Jews to blame for the death of Jesus?" I've got a better question. What difference does it make WHO killed Jesus? IS that where the focus should lie? after 2000 years, are we STILL trying to point the finger of blame?

NO!

it was prophesied that Jesus would come to Earth and live as man, the Holy Living Son of God. It was prophesied that he would be crucified by the very people that he came here to save. So what difference does it make if it was the Jews, the Arabs, or the Romans that carried out the prophecy? The POINT of his crucifixion was to save us from our sins, which is exactly what he did. Not to mention the fact that 3 days later he arose from the dead, therefore further negating any reason for anyone to point the finger of blame.

If so, is there any means of gaining forgiveness and acceptance short of renouncing the Jewish heritage?

since we're not pissed at the Jews for killing our savior to begin with, they shouldn't be worried about us forgiving them for it. The anti-semitism movement has nothing whatsoever to do with 'Christian' people being mad at the Jews. That movement, as it's already been pointed out is driven by bigotry and ignorance on the part of people who are simply not willing to seek the Truth.

If it's forgiveness that someone is worried about, it should be the forgiveness that can only be granted by God, through his son Jesus Christ. And if accepting Jesus into their life means renouncing their Jewish heritage then so be it. I'd much rather have my sins forgiven and be granted a 'life-everlasting' than worry about holding on to a 'heritage' that denies the existence of Jesus Christ.

All of ya'll that acknowledged that Jesus is still alive get mad props from imajinit...

May Jesus live in the hearts of all...
on Feb 29, 2004
"Do Christians still consider Jews to blame for the death of Jesus?" I've got a better question.


Clever technique for avoiding having to say, "Yes, we do."


since we're not pissed at the Jews for killing our savior to begin with


You shouldn't be, since only a small number of Jews could ever possibly have been responsible, not global Judaism throughout the entire past, present, and future.


And if accepting Jesus into their life means renouncing their Jewish heritage then so be it.


Well, since the Jews deny outright that Jesus was the much-anticipated Messiah and are still waiting for said Messiah, I guess they're pretty much screwed under your system, aren't they...?


much rather have my sins forgiven and be granted a 'life-everlasting' than worry about holding on to a 'heritage' that denies the existence of Jesus Christ.


This sentence reeks of disguised-with-a-Christian-smile anti-Semitism.
on Feb 29, 2004
congrats on taking everything that i wrote out of context and twisting it around... way to go! if reading things into what i said was your goal, then you did a fine job!

as for the Jews still awaiting the Messiah, you are correct. But if you get yourself familiarized with Revelation, you'll notice that it's all gonna work out in the end.
on Feb 29, 2004
1. Did you answer this question: "Do Christians still consider Jews to blame for the death of Jesus?" Why, no, you did not! All I did was point that out.

2. You stated plainly that the Jews have to renounce Judaism to have a shot. What was the "out of context" part?

3. Your quotation marks around "heritage" when referring to the Jewish heritage betray your slick disdain for their religion and their culture.

See you in Hell.
on Mar 15, 2004
today I was watching a pbs documentary entitled "Heritage, civilization and the Jews". I came in around the part where all of western europe was expelling jews. I was confused as to why these countries betrayed them especially since they were moneylenders to kings and nobles. And then it struck me later in the program where the narrator announced that the jews were changing and modernizing the world and naturally those who were ignorant chose to condemn the jews for other reassons rather than accept that they knew the better and more efficient ways to conduct business and "industry". And here I believe is the root of the problem between jews and the rest of the world. How can you be so worldly and forward thinking yet deny that Christ was the Messiah? (I say that as a skeptic not a christian fundamentalist!) But seriously how could they have not believed Jesus was the Messiah when he conformed to their own prophets predictions?
So fine they don't accept him, they stick to their OLD traditions. Becuase they could not find other ways to make money they also continue to rely upon moneylending for thier living. (Despite our acceptance of this today, usury is a pretty disgusting practice, and just think, perhaps things would have been different if the jews formed a co-operative brokerage rather than charging exorbitant interest...maybe we wouldn't have 18% interest credit cards today!)
The point is that many of the industrial innovations jews initiated are reviled today as being dehumanizing. That doesn't do alot for the perception of Jews overall. Getting back to the Messiah and Mel Gibsons film; in the PBS documentary they mention that a jew in the Ottoman Empire announced that he was the Messiah in the early 1300's and everyone accepted him as the true savior. then he was arrested and faced with the choice of death or conversion to Islam. He chose Islam. Needless to say, Jesus had opportunities to deny he was "the king of the Jews" and denounce his God, but as the film brutally depicts, he did not and suffured inumerable "deaths" for it. That's pretty impressive stuff. It made me come a few steps closer to God and survey my beleiefs (still a skeptic). I wonder why some Jews couldn't believe that maybe just maybe he was the one? Nevermind the Christ killer accusation, that is silly to be taken literally. The Jews "kill" Christ in their persistence over the centuries to deny him. In which case the persecution, isolation and seperation is in fact no ones fault except a handful of influential (albeit stubborn and backward not progressive and innovative) Jews who lived over 2000 years ago. And please, don't take this as a condemnation, everyone has the right to beleive what ever they want and they should not be persecuted for it. Unfortunately, this choice to abide by ancient traditions,( sort of like the Muslims clinging to misogynist laws) has left the Jews in a very difficult place, as the Muslims are in an equally difficult one.
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