Should America Control the Internet?
Published on October 20, 2005 By Larry Kuperman In Internet
If you browse the Internet (and if you don't you're not reading this!) the websites that you visit ultimately get their names from ICANN (Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers.) ICANN is a non-profit agency, based in California. Which means that they are regulated to one degree or another by the US Commerce Department, a part of the US Government.

Which means that the US Government controls the Internet. And some nations have a problem with that.

Countries such as Brazil and Iran have argued that the Internet is too important a resource for one country to control. Hence, the argument goes, an international body such as the UN should have the final say. In response, Minnesota Republican Sen. Norm Coleman has introduced a bill calling for the addressing system to remain under US control.

The first thought that occurs to me is the old adage "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." The second, is that there is no body more capable of administering the naming conventions. The UN? With its glorious history of efficiency and expedient action? Ha! The only problem that would solve is finding a new job for some of Kofi Annan's unemployed relatives.

Perhaps Iran itself? Peace-loving, law-abiding Iran? You can visit Iran' s website at www.wearebuildinganuclearreactorforpeacefulpurposessniggersnigger.com (Not a real website in case you haven't gathered that. A little sarcasm.)

Or that model of efficient governance, the EU? Would it be "Le Internet" or "Das Internet?" Oh, and by the way, the Internet will be closed during August.

At the risk of invoking Al Gore jokes, the United States built the Internet and has done a remarkably good job of maintaining it. What is broken that needs fixing, one should ask, and who would be better at maintaining it? Internet-wide problems have been, with some exceptions, few and far between. Legislative interference has been almost unknown. There is no reason for change that I can see.

I do understand the concerns of countries that fear that, at some future time, the Internet could be politicized. But, until that happens, leave well enough alone.

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on Oct 23, 2005
What exactly would be the issue for giving Iran control over its ccTLD?


I beleive they do have that control unless they gave it to someone else.
on Oct 23, 2005
Hi, Crae. Nice to see you here.

"So what it boils down to is a couple of questions:
1. What weighs stronger: national or international interests?
2. Don't fix what ain't broken; or: try to make the system better (which could also end up worse)?"

Add a third issue. Does the act of creation and investment of time and money, convey rights? And do "users" (as opposed to creators) get to take those rights away because they find the product so useful that they can't imagine life without it? An analogy for the WinCustomize crowd is "Your skin is so good, I use it on all my computers. Therefore, it should now be MINE!"

Regarding issue 1; the nations involved in the original proposal (Iran and Brazil) are not suggesting the decentralization of the naming authority. They want to keep it centralize, just take it away from the US. Not because they cite abuse, but merely because the POTENTIAL for abuse exists.

Point two (don't fix what ain't broken) is pretty clear from my 4th paragraph, and the response is that it COULD be broken.

Point three is one that concerns me. It seems to run like like this "The naming convention is such a valuable asset that we must take it away from the US and offer no compensation." The Internet is not a natural commodity. It did not just grow over night. It was the result of hard work and lots of money. Most of that came from the United States. Look at the largest sites today. How many of them (Yahoo!, Google, AOL, Microsoft, eBay, Amazon, etc.) are the result of efforts by corporations that are in the US?

Now think about how changes in the naming conventions could effect them. Redirection, for example.

The Internet works as it does because of the economics that underlies it. And that economics is free market capitalism.

Oh and Jafo is the sanest one here? My kind of place then!
on Oct 23, 2005
Personally, if US dominance over the root servers and ICANN gets the reliability and security issues with DNS fixed and imposed (adopted for the nervous amongst you), I can stand to wait. The political issues might be battled back and forth for a long time but there are outstanding technical problems that just need to be fixed.
on Oct 23, 2005
I don't think it is unreasonable to weigh a nation's ability to oversee the Internet based upon their politicizing of technology and stifling of free speech. There have been several sites, Ebay among them, who have been attacked by a couple of European nations for allowing Nazi memorabilia to be sold.

How would, say, they handle domains they considered to be "white supremacist?" Would votes on such be brokered the way UN votes are brokered with favors and bribes? Look at the UN security council and then imagine such a body using the Internet in such a way. We'll see the whole Iraq, Halliburton vs. TotalFinaElf junk played out in technology companies, except with politicians using their clout to undermine IP and advancement instead of political manuvering.

The point about the deaths during the hot summer wasn't just a jab. The costs they are willing to accept to uphold ideals shouldn't be imposed on the rest of us. Do we want nations who consider other cultures to be a threat worthy of suppression to be in charge of a venue for the expression of those cultures?

Dismiss my tone if you want, but go and look at France's attitude toward non-French Western Culture, and look at the methods they use to stifle such in their own nation. I wouldn't want Pat Robertson to have a say in the management of the Internet, nor would I want French Cultural elitists to have a vote.

Again, sorry for the off-topic stuff Kupe, but I didn't want my first post to be misconstrued as ignorant xenophobia.
on Oct 23, 2005
You like it or not, it’s an undeniable fact that United States of America is the most advanced nation in the world where all the money and business is! And… just as Larry has put it… if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!



yeah right.....time to wake up !!!
on Oct 23, 2005
Not a problem, BakerStreet. Please note that France was NOT a nation involved in the original petition; Iran was. We only need to think of the Mullahs of Iran having control over the domain names of the entire Internet...well, no need to belabor that.

sunwukong, the proposal was never intended to correct technical issues of DNS. The proposal is simply about control.

Let me also add, sunwuking an un-official JoeUser/WinCustomize greeting. I see that you have posting since August and I appreciate your thoughts and insights. Nice to have you on board.

A last thought, before I go to enjoy what remains of the weekend. The issue to me is a philosophical one. If you create something and maintain it, you should have certain rights. That is the principle behind my arguments.
on Oct 23, 2005
Hmm, well a last last thought.

-OZZY-, you have not added anything thoughtful. "yeah right.....time to wake up !!!" is not going to persuade anyone.

You asked if Europe has free speech. The answer from both me and BakerStreet, was "no, not to the same extent as in the US." Like it or not, that is true. Moreover, Europe as a whole has a history of allowing dictatorships. Not only Hitler and Mussolini during World War II, but more recently Franco in Spain and the military government of Greece. You further dispute that the United States is not the greatest economic power in the world today. You offer no facts to support your position or any rational arguments. In fact you are contributing nothing to this discussion.

You are welcome to offer a dissenting point of view, but include some substance to back it up.
on Oct 23, 2005
sunwukong, the proposal was never intended to correct technical issues of DNS. The proposal is simply about control.

I realize that -- it's just that as a techie that I'm willing to subsume whatever my cultural/national/whatever imperatives to just get DNS fixed!

Let me also add, sunwuking an un-official JoeUser/WinCustomize greeting. I see that you have posting since August and I appreciate your thoughts and insights. Nice to have you on board.

Thank you -- but I've been around since last November. I took a long break to move to the coast and to let the Great War on JU play itself out.
on Oct 23, 2005
ah man, only one thing left for me to say......and i'm sorry but,
you are a very ignorant and very dumb person !!!
come on, what does hitler have to do with this......uhm... NOTHING !!!
oh maybe one thing, u think americans are superior, the "übermensch" if you will...
so yeah......SIEG LARRY or something !!!
dumbass....
i'm sorry everyone, but he is really irratating me with his ignorance and stupidity !!
on Oct 23, 2005
ah man, only one thing left for me to say......and i'm sorry but,
you are a very ignorant and very dumb person !!!
come on, what does hitler have to do with this......uhm... NOTHING !!!
oh maybe one thing, u think americans are superior, the "übermensch" if you will...
so yeah......SIEG LARRY or something !!!
dumbass....
i'm sorry everyone, but he is really irratating me with his ignorance and stupidity !!


I fail to see the connection between Europes dictators and American Control of something they created. can you elaborate on why you want to Sieg Heil and how that means that america does? Unless you are calling us Nazis. But then it was Britain and France that allowed him to march into the Rheinland and promised peace in their time with the Sudentaland gimme. Which did drag america into a european war that should have been avoided if europeans were even the least responsible for their inactions.
on Oct 23, 2005
i fail to see it as well Dr. Guy....
larry said it, not me !!!
and i don't wanna sieg heil, again i think larry does since he thinks americans are so superior to the rest of the world, just like the nazis did....
anyway, all that happened over 60 years ago and has nothing to do with this, i'm not gonna discuss this.....
bye
on Oct 23, 2005
i fail to see it as well Dr. Guy....
larry said it, not me !!!
and i don't wanna sieg heil, again i think larry does since he thinks americans are so superior to the rest of the world, just like the nazis did....
anyway, all that happened over 60 years ago and has nothing to do with this, i'm not gonna discuss this.....
bye


Perhaps. Yet Europe repeated the sins of the past again just recently. With some exceptions. Spain is hiding behind a false shield, France and Germany behind a lie. Italy has not forgotten, nor has England. So who do we turn this over to?

You will disagree, but in reality, Europe still has more problems than solutions. And will for as long as they fail to acknowledge their own shortcomings. Something america does not have to worry about as they will constantly remind us of it. Every single day they suck at the niple.
on Oct 24, 2005
If you create something and maintain it, you should have certain rights. That is the principle behind my arguments.


I couldn't agree more! If I created something that I willingly shared with others, I certainly would not want those others to take it from me and assume control. I'm not American, and there are times when I may disagree with U.S. ideals, but in this instance, I believe the U.S. has a right and responsibility to maintain its own creation. It must be remembered that the world wide web is merely an extension of that creation and should not be politicised to embrace individual agendas.
on Oct 24, 2005
I believe the U.S. has a right and responsibility to maintain its own creation. It must be remembered that the world wide web is merely an extension of that creation and should not be politicised to embrace individual agendas

Exactly right! So control of the WWW should be handed back to the people who created it -- the Europeans.
on Oct 24, 2005
Exactly right! So control of the WWW should be handed back to the people who created it -- the Europeans.


??????? If the U.S. created the internet, and the WWW is merely an extension of it, I fail to see how the Europeans created it. That equates to an argument that Apple owns the music heard on its ipod....we all know it actually belongs to the composer/musician/s, etc.
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