The Suffering Goes On
Published on February 9, 2004 By Larry Kuperman In Current Events
Earlier tonight, researching a response to a post about Israel's supposedly one-sided war against the PLO, I came across an open letter from the head of the World Lebanese Organization to the American Congress. It is linked here and is certainly worth reading for anyone interested in the truth about the Middle East, about the fate of Christians in that part of the world and for humanitarians in general.

The letter calls attention to the plight of the Christian community in Lebanon which lives under "permanent suppression" and draws an analogy to the ethnic cleansing in Bosnia.

The letter written in 1997 summarizes the situation for Christians living under Islamic authority as follows:

"130,000 Christians live under the fear of being abandoned to the Hizbollah terror group and their allies, including their sponsors the Syrian occupation army. A unilateral withdrawal by the Israelis would lead to generalized massacres against the Christian population in that area. Hizbollah has already issued fatwas (religious edict) in this sense. Over the past few weeks, Christian adolescents and children, were killed with artillery shelling and road side bombs by the Hizbollah. Little was written or reported in the Western press."

Israel entered in 1993 Lebanon, provoked by attacks from Hizbollah. The continued Israeli presence is, according to this letter, all that is stopping a massacre of the remaining Christian population.

According to PalestineFacts.Org, there are 1.5 million Christians still living in Lebanon. They live in constant fear and under religous oppression. The situation is not much better in other countries in the region.

In the West Bank, a Muslim boycott of Christian businesses has forced many to flee. A jihad against both Jews and Christians was declared in Gaza in October 2000 and resulted in acts of violence toward the Christians living there. Two years ago, in February 2002, a Muslim mob, including Palestinian Authority Special Forces, burned Christian businesses and attempted to destroy the Greek Orthodox and Roman Catholic churches in Ramallah.

Jordan has a small Christian population, mostly Greek Orthodox. At one time, however, 18% of the people living in Jordan were Christian. Now it is only 4%. Most have fled, because of persecution.

Coptic Christians have lived in Egypt for centuries. Recent estimates are as high as 10 to 12 million. They live under brutal repression, however. The London Daily Telegraph reported "... in a single month during 1998, Egyptian police detained about 1,200 Christians in Al-Kosheh, near Luxor in Upper Egypt. Seized in groups of up to 50 at a time, many were nailed to crosses or manacled to doors with their legs tied together. Then they were beaten and tortured with electric shocks to their genitals while police denounced them as "infidels."

The repression continues elsewhere in the Muslim world. In the Sudan, for example, there has been a war between the Moslem North and the Christian South since 1955. Captured Christians are forced to convert and then may be sold into slavery. Unbelievable, but true. See http://www.terravista.pt/guincho/2104/genocide/sudan.html

"According to Christian Solidarity International, the Sudanese government regularly raids African communities for slaves and cattle. The children and young women are taken to be sold as slaves, forced to provide domestic and agricultural labor. The young women and girls are forced into concubinage. The average price is between five and ten cows apiece for these slaves, who then receive only minimal sustenance."

While Christians have been forced to flee from many Islamic countries, the Christian population of Israel has grown. In 1949 there were 34,000 Christians living in Israel. Today there are over 140,000. If Israel was the repressive "Jewish only" state that Arab sympathizers, including those in the media, would have you believe, why would Christians leave Arab countries and come to Israel?
Comments
on Feb 09, 2004
There is a different story for Christian Arabs from the West bank. Most of them have left Israel. Even the Arab Christians in Bethlehem, once patriotic towards Israel are being persecuted by Israel. Bethlehem has become a war zone. Those who depend on tourism no longer have much business. Both sides are to blame, but the Christian Arabs are caught in the middle. There are no winners in the terrorism by both sides in this conflict.
on Feb 10, 2004
Hi, Sherye. Do you have a source to support "Even the Arab Christians in Bethlehem, once patriotic towards Israel are being persecuted by Israel?" If you were to say that Christian Arabs are fleeing the ongoing violence, I would agree. But after doing a Google search, I can't find any evidence of Israeli persecution.

Even Aljazeerah, hardly a pro-Israeli source, says in this article last month that "violence of the last three years between Israelis and the Palestinians has exacerbated the situation for the Arab residents." Source http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2004%20opinions/Jan/28%20o/A%20Christian%20issue,%20Jordan%20Times.htm

Now Aljazeerah also states that Israeli soldiers have "violated" Christian shrines by entering them looking for terrrorists that are hiding there, but they don't cite acts of persecution. In the meantime, I URGE you to read the lettter linked above from the head of the World Lebanese Organization. 1.5 million Lebanese Christians are living in fear for their lives. Look at the plight of Sudanese Christians who are being sold into slavery. Don't be distracted from these impending acts of genocide by what is not an equivalent issue on the West Bank.
on Feb 10, 2004
My sources are not in the news as far as I know. My husband went to school with a Christian Israeli Arab, when war broke out, he cheered for Israel. In Bethlehem there were massive protests. Bethlehem was put under curfew. Doesn't this seem like a change in attitude on the part of Christians towards Israel. My other source is a book written several years ago by a Friend from the Northwest who had connections with Arab Christians in the left bank. His children were not allowed to go to school and he was separated from family in Jordan because he was not allowed to visit Jordan. He was treated no differently than the Muslims. As for the increase in Christians, do you know who they are and where they are from? An insider view of Israel is much different than the one you portray here. Most American Christians are pro-Israel. The problem is that Israel has become a police state. Israel should look at Northern Ireland. Since the Good Friday accords acts of violence have decreased tremendously. Trying to hunt down everyone who has a grudge against you, preventing people from working, shooting innocents does not stop terrorism. The Arabs in Israel have nothing to lose by terrorism. Change that equasion and the terrorism will cease.
on Feb 10, 2004
"In 1949 there were 34,000 Christians living in Israel. Today there are over 140,000. If Israel was the repressive "Jewish only" state that Arab sympathizers, including those in the media, would have you believe, why would Christians leave Arab countries and come to Israel?"

I've never heard anyone say that Christians have actually emigrated to Israel since the foundation of the state. The four-fold increase is due to natural population growth, not migration.

As for your assertion that Palestinian Muslims are intimidating Palestinian Christians into leaving, I simply don't agree. In Palestine Christians are generally better educated than Muslims. This makes it easier for them to emigrate. They also tend to live in areas which rely heavily on the tourist trade. Since 2000 the trade has dried up (to say the least) and many Christains have left. The fact is that relations between Muslims and Christians in Palestine have been, and are, very good.
on Feb 10, 2004

So that's your source? Some guy?

Larry puts forth tons of sources and your counter is "Some guy"?

on Feb 10, 2004
See my article about Ralph Beebe. He is the man of whom I am speaking.
on Feb 10, 2004
May I offer this article which references the Washington Times: http://www.rense.com/general25/bibles.htm
The title is "Palestinians In Nativity Church Used Bibles As Toilet Paper." I'm not making this up, you can find it and plenty of similiar ones on a Google Search.

Judaism does not try to convert people. Conversion does not make sense since the foundation of Judaism is the pact between Jehovah and Abraham, which is based on familial descent. So Christians can live in Israel and practice their religion. Islam on the other hand is based on conversion, by the sword if necessary. This has been the case for 1400 years.

Look at the genocide of the Armenians in 1915 http://www.armenian-genocide.org/encyclopedia/genocide.htm, Greek genocide 1918 http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/RM2.T.GREEK.DEATH.MARCH.HTM, or just read the letter from the WLO cited above.

A common chant at PLO meetings and one that is taught to children is "After we do away with the Saturday People, we shall take care of the Sunday People." What do you think that means?
on Feb 10, 2004
Larry,
Are you afraid to read about things that contradict your point of view? Christians in Israel are second class citizens. They may still be there but they recognize that the price of being is Israel is to not have the same freedoms that Jews have. http://www.newquaker.com/reviews/bishop.htm
There has been a great deal of immigration from Israel by Arab Christians. Although there are more Christians immigrating from Europe, the Arab Christians are leaving. They can't buy land, get jobs and have difficulty from both the government and militant Muslims. By the way Arafat's wife is a Christian. This issue is more complicated that you have pictured it.

Lebanon is different than Israel.
on Feb 11, 2004

You are dodging the issue Sherye.  That's like saying that gays in the US are second class citizens because they can't currently marry but meanwhile in Saudi Arabia they'd be executed for coming out of the closet.

BTW, Arafat's wife is not Christian. http://www.888webtoday.com/beezley435.html

She is officially Muslim.  So much for toleration eh?

on Feb 11, 2004
If Israel was such a friendly country to Arab Christians why would they leave? It is not. The conditions in the West Bank are deplorable for both Christians and Muslims. There is no distinction given between Christians and Muslims, all are oppressed.
Christians are probably safer in Lebanon with the Israeli presence, but things are different in Israel.

As for your extreme examples, they are ridiculous. Homosexuals can get jobs, own property, and live well in the U.S. In Israel it is a matter of survival. The Christian Arabs there have a hard time with the basics of life.
on Feb 11, 2004

Explain how Christian arabs have a hard time with the basics of life in Israel?

I don't mean to sound skeptical but you earlier made a claim that Arafat's wife was a Christian as an example of how tolerant the Palestinians are of other religions only for it to be discovered that she was forced to become a Muslim because of Palestinian intolerance. 

on Feb 11, 2004
Sherye, please retract the comment about my being afraid to read things that contradict my point of view. I believe that was uncalled for since in my earlier post I asked you if had a source. It was not a rhetorical question. You simply did not provide a link or a source earlier. I trust that you made this comment in the heat of debate.

I have now read the article that you pointed out entitled "Caught in Between: The Story of an Arab Palestinian Christian Israeli." Although it is a review, not the original book, the reviewer states "If Riah has any complaint to make, it is not with the three faiths that find their place in this extraordinary land, but rather with the political aims of a Jewish hegemony that has torn apart both Muslim and Christian homes, as well as human lives, in the process of building a modern Israel." Again, bearing in mind that this is by a reviewer, he goes on to state "He has much to say about the role of communists in this saga, why he is unable to align himself with the Palestine Liberation Organization, and how a Christian is supposed to live in a land ruptured by the tremors of a unique socio-political force."

However, let us turn back to the main thrust of my original post. Saying that Riah Abu El-Assal, the Episcopalian Bishop of Jerusalem, may choose to leave the country is NOT an equivalent to the statement by the head of the World Lebanese Organization that all that is preventing the slaughter of Lebanese Christians is the presence of the Israeli military.

Let me offer yet another link to a Christian site and their comments on the topic: http://www.cbn.com/SpiritualLife/discipleship/Iraq_persecuted_christians.asp

I am going to exerpt, but I trust that you will read the whole article. "Following the radicalization of Islam, though according to sources in the Assyrian Diaspora, perhaps up to 70% of the Christians in the Middle East have left finding it impossible to live under the oppression of radicalized Islamic states."

OG San commented "The four-fold increase is due to natural population growth, not migration." Simply not true. The increase is due to Christians, many of them Evangelical Christians, coming to Israel from America or fleeing persecution from Arab lands. Miami Herald article about American Christians in Israel at http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/6193061.htm Bridges for Peace article at http://www.bridgesforpeace.com/publications/dispatch/signsoftimes/Article-14.html "Israel is often blamed for the considerable drop in the Christian population in the West Bank and Gaza, yet while their numbers drop in the Palestinian Authority areas, they have increased in Israel."

Christians do have a hard life in the West Bank. Israel could, perhaps, be more sensitive. Yet the life of a Christian in Israel is safer and more secure than anywhere else in the Middle East.






on Feb 11, 2004
I would agree with you on all of your points. I just didn't hear a response from you, so I didn't think that you read my article.
on Feb 12, 2004
Boys will be boys, Sheyre--forgive them and move on.
on Feb 12, 2004
***WARNING THE FOLLOWING CONTAINS GRAPHIC IMAGES THAT MAY BE UPSETTING!***********

I saw this on Google: http://www.persecution.com.au/default.asp?c=6 It is hard to stomach this kind of brutality.
While I have agreed that the lot of Arabic Christians living on the West Bank is difficult, in part I believe because it difficult to distinguish them from Arabic Moslems living in the same community, I submit that is nothing compared to the barbarity inflicted on Christians in Moslem fundamentalist countries.